But this week, Utah lawmakers will get serious about reforming the system. The way things are, they say, is unsustainable.
"We just took 8 to 10 percent of our payroll off the table for 25 years to pay for the increased cost of our pension," says Sen. Dan Liljenquist, R-Bountiful.
Lower state wages, now, are a symptom of the state's bloated pension obligation. Two proposals will make serious changes:
Moving forward, Liljenquist says last year's market crash created a $6.5 billion unfunded liability in the system.
"The goal of pension reform is to contain that risk and remove it over time," he says.
There will be a battle, however, because a lot is at stake financially. As another senator put it, reform is never easy.
Liljenqust's two retirement system reform bills will go before a committee on Wednesday.
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